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幻亦真

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[求助] 请教一下量化计算大约3000个原子的多肽体系 已有3人参与

我要计算的多肽体系大约3000个原子, 包含C H O N S这五种原子。 因为体系太大,所以要使用oniom方法去计算。但是高层(high level)也有300个原子。原子太多,计算不动啊。请教高手~~
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agent99

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gmy1990: 金币+1 2014-10-01 23:55:00
幻亦真: 金币+1 2014-10-03 18:26:35
有化学反应吗?没有的话用分子力学吧
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2楼2014-10-01 00:16:33
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幻亦真: 金币+1 2014-10-03 18:26:43
请使用Todd Martinez的程序
http://www.petachem.com/products.html
前提是你有GPU
3楼2014-10-02 04:50:59
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dreamyeye

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听说现在超算中心的机群都能处理几亿个原子的体系了,是真的吗?
4楼2014-10-03 16:18:45
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半经验吧,mopac Ampac
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5楼2014-10-05 00:30:34
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yongleli

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4楼: Originally posted by dreamyeye at 2014-10-03 16:18:45
听说现在超算中心的机群都能处理几亿个原子的体系了,是真的吗?

请确定你用的方法。用连续体动力学,几摩尔原子的体系都能处理。
6楼2014-10-06 02:55:36
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yongleli

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gmy1990: 金币+3 2014-10-06 05:27:50
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2楼: Originally posted by agent99 at 2014-10-01 00:16:33
有化学反应吗?没有的话用分子力学吧

我们科研人员思维要不断更新。
现在大体系的量化计算发展很快。比如Greg Voth, John Z H Zhang这两派人过去做过的分块量化计算方法最近几年又有新发展。Todd Martinez弄出来的计算软件可以做蛋白质的直接QM计算(Born-Oppenheimer dynamics)。
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agent99

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7楼: Originally posted by yongleli at 2014-10-05 13:57:50
我们科研人员思维要不断更新。
现在大体系的量化计算发展很快。比如Greg Voth, John Z H Zhang这两派人过去做过的分块量化计算方法最近几年又有新发展。Todd Martinez弄出来的计算软件可以做蛋白质的直接QM计算( ...

你说的没错,其实我们组也做这些。关键是,这样的方法对蛋白质/核酸这样的体系描述的精确性未必高于像amber这样专门为生物大分子优化的分子力场,何况速度还慢很多。如果没有化学反应或者涉及到极化率之类的计算的话,我认为至少现阶段分子力学仍然是较好的选择
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8楼2014-10-06 10:09:42
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yongleli

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8楼: Originally posted by agent99 at 2014-10-06 10:09:42
你说的没错,其实我们组也做这些。关键是,这样的方法对蛋白质/核酸这样的体系描述的精确性未必高于像amber这样专门为生物大分子优化的分子力场,何况速度还慢很多。如果没有化学反应或者涉及到极化率之类的计算的 ...

Sure you said it.
While at last, the quantum is the king. And one always wanna apply QM method to larger and more complicated systems.

The segmentation method can be used in:

NMR signals
H-bond network problems
IR signals
etc.

Good luck.
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agent99

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9楼: Originally posted by yongleli at 2014-10-06 17:19:44
Sure you said it.
While at last, the quantum is the king. And one always wanna apply QM method to larger and more complicated systems.

The segmentation method can be used in:

NMR signals
H-b ...

That's so true. This's also the ultimate goal of many theoretical chemists, I believe. Actually, these methods have been developed for a long time. For example, Jiali Gao's X-Pol and Weitao Yang's divide-and-conquer methods were developed in the 1990s. Since you mentioned John Zhang, I know that John Zhang has done some work on NMR chemical shifts using fragmentation methods and I really admire his work. However, there're still far less people who are actually applying these sort of methods to solve real chemical problems than those who are still developing these methods. That might indicate that these methods haven't reached a very good balance between accuracy and efficiency, in my opinion.

BTW, there's a recent special issue in Acc. Chem. Res. talking about large-scale QM methodologies, which is very interesting for us to read. I guess you're already aware of it.

Cheers!
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