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[ÇóÖú] What is the difference between NAO and ANO?

What is the difference between Natural Atomic Orbitals and Atomic Natural Orbitals?
And what is the relationship with NBO?

So confused.

By the way, what is the density matrix? How to comprehend it? Can anyone give me a simple and plain interpretation?

Thanks for help.

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3  How to picture NBO? Giving 1-3 buta-di-ene as example, can I say that electron clouds surrounding 1,2 carbons and 3,4 carbons are NBO?
  
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Haha, Your recommending paper is actually where I began to confuse. I was thinking ANO and NAO are the same thing until I read this paper.

Now I get ANO. But for NAO, as you said, it is "Ò»ÖÖ´Ó·Ö×Ó»·¾³Öл¹Ô­³öµÄÔ­×Ó¹ìµÀ". So what is the point to "»¹Ô­³ö" such a set of orbitals?

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But, since the volume is  a constant, so the matrix can be divided by V and be considered as density representation, isn't it? Otherwise why do people call it density matrix?

So what are the elements in a density matrix?
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