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gaofenzi895

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[交流] CIF审稿意见求助?

投了一篇SCI文章,其中 关于CIF部分有如下审稿意见:
In particular, the Friedel pairs should be merged and the refinement repeated thereafter. The short H-H contacts are probably due to some sort of tert-butyl disorder which unfortuantely has not been sddressed in the Exp.Part. Is it reasonable to include such hydrogen with split occupancies in the refinement? Probably also the necessity for restraints orininates from the disorder? Please explain.

这什么意思啊?问题大么?怎么改啊?谢谢.
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xi2004

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又见无序, 头大.

你的 tert-butyl 是不是无序? 氢怎么加的. 先自己用CIFcheck check一下, 看看为何H-H太近.
还有多余的点要Merged一下.

解决是可以解决的, 估计, 但稍麻烦.
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2楼2008-09-20 17:37:50
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xi2004

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这几天网络慢, 重发了, 不好意思.
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3楼2008-09-20 17:38:08
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gaofenzi895

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麻烦问下,
PLAT220_ALERT_2_A Large Non-Solvent    C     Ueq(max)/Ueq(min) ...       5.75 Ratio
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Alert level B
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C11    --  C12_a   ..      10.61 su   
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C11    --  C13_a   ..      10.62 su   
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C12    --  C11_a   ..      10.59 su   
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C13    --  C11_a   ..      10.62 su   
PLAT024_ALERT_4_B Merging of Friedel Pairs is STRONGLY Indicated .          !
这些都什么错误啊?
4楼2008-09-20 18:48:54
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gaofenzi895

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这么多错误还有救么?

The following ALERTS were generated. Each ALERT has the format
       test-name_ALERT_alert-type_alert-level.
Click on the hyperlinks for more details of the test.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Alert level A
PLAT220_ALERT_2_A Large Non-Solvent    C     Ueq(max)/Ueq(min) ...       5.75 Ratio
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Alert level B
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C11    --  C12_a   ..      10.61 su   
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C11    --  C13_a   ..      10.62 su   
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C12    --  C11_a   ..      10.59 su   
PLAT230_ALERT_2_B Hirshfeld Test Diff for    C13    --  C11_a   ..      10.62 su   
PLAT024_ALERT_4_B Merging of Friedel Pairs is STRONGLY Indicated .          !
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Alert level C
STRVA01_ALERT_2_C           Chirality of atom sites is inverted?
           From the CIF: _refine_ls_abs_structure_Flack    5.000
           From the CIF: _refine_ls_abs_structure_Flack_su    5.000
PLAT213_ALERT_2_C Atom C10     has ADP max/min Ratio .............       3.10 prola
PLAT222_ALERT_3_C Large Non-Solvent    H     Ueq(max)/Ueq(min) ...       3.44 Ratio
PLAT242_ALERT_2_C Check Low       Ueq as Compared to Neighbors for        C10     
PLAT250_ALERT_2_C Large U3/U1 Ratio for Average U(i,j) Tensor ....       3.10      
PLAT301_ALERT_3_C Main Residue  Disorder .........................      11.00 Perc.
PLAT340_ALERT_3_C Low Bond Precision on C-C Bonds (x 1000) Ang ...          5      
PLAT032_ALERT_4_C Std. Uncertainty in Flack Parameter too High ...       5.00      
PLAT033_ALERT_4_C Flack Parameter Value Deviates from Zero .......       5.00      
PLAT125_ALERT_4_C No _symmetry_space_group_name_Hall Given .......          ?
PLAT764_ALERT_4_C Overcomplete CIF Bond List Detected (Rep/Expd) .       1.40 Ratio
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Alert level G
REFLT03_ALERT_4_G  ALERT: MoKa measured Friedel data cannot be used to
                   determine absolute structure in a light-atom
                   study EXCEPT under VERY special conditions.
                   It is preferred that Friedel data is merged in such cases.
           From the CIF: _diffrn_reflns_theta_max           27.86
           From the CIF: _reflns_number_total               2305
           Count of symmetry unique reflns         1331
           Completeness (_total/calc)            173.18%
           TEST3: Check Friedels for noncentro structure
           Estimate of Friedel pairs measured       974
           Fraction of Friedel pairs measured     0.732
           Are heavy atom types Z>Si present         no
PLAT860_ALERT_3_G Note: Number of Least-Squares Restraints .......         25
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gaofenzi895

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审稿人的意见该怎么回答啊?

谢谢了,本人对晶体不懂,面临毕业,这文章是救命的呀.求高人帮忙
6楼2008-09-20 19:01:58
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xi2004

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关于"In particular, the Friedel pairs should be merged and the refinement repeated thereafter."

PLAton 回答如下.  



PLAT024

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PLAT024 Type_4 Check for required Friedel pair averaging Z<=Si
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Averaging of Friedel pairs is strongly advised when indicated by a
large su on the Flack parameter. Large su values indicate that the
anomalous scattering power is too small in combination with the data
quality at hand to merit refinement with a non-averaged dataset. This
will generally be the case with MoKa datasets for structures containing
atoms not heavier than Si. The value of the Flack parameter will be
largely meaningless anyway for large su values.

Use MERG 4 in case of refinement with the SHELXL97 program.
Non-compliance with the above for valid scientific reasons should be
discussed in detail in the experimental section of the paper.


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7楼2008-09-21 00:09:14
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xi2004

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★ ★ ★
dnp(金币+3,VIP+0):谢谢,请继续关注下这个问题:)
关于
The short H-H contacts are probably due to some sort of tert-butyl disorder which unfortuantely has not been sddressed in the Exp.Part. Is it reasonable to include such hydrogen with split occupancies in the refinement?Probably also the necessity for restraints orininates from the disorder? Please explain.


你这个C(CH3)3 无序得相当厉害, 无序的部分可能没有必要再加氢了.
另外, 无序啊, restraints等等在CIF里要文字说明一下.

晕啊. 是不是该杂志有专门的查结晶学的审稿人啊.
太内行了点啊.

碰到无序,总是头疼.
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8楼2008-09-21 00:14:31
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xi2004

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该杂志有没有要求消灭Alert C啊?
没有的话,
加merg 4
CIF中加对无序, restrain等的说明,
再删除一些无序造成的不合理键,
应该能通过了.
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9楼2008-09-21 00:38:12
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gaofenzi895

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怎么在CIF说明啊?

我的稿子刚把CIF弄过去,编辑就回信说CIF里边Restrain太多,估计是碰到懂晶体的编辑了,提的问题挺多的.
我的稿子审稿都是二类YES, 除了格式需要修改外,没有什么大问题,就是CIF好象提了不少问题.
杂志为影响因子也不高,应该能通过吧,没有明确的CIF要求应该ALERT C不需要吧.反正审稿意见就说那么多,然后就给了一个PLATON打出来问题解释.
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