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[交流] some feelings after talking to a fellow

Today is the last day of my trip.

Maybe the biggest surprise I receive today is that I met a boy coming from the same place as I do.

It was always me who started the conversation.
"You travel alone?"
"Yes I travel alone."
"You tourist or student here?"
"I'm not really a tourist. I come here to see my relatives, and go around to have a see at the same time."
"You Chinese?"
"I have the permanent residence of Singapore and am currently working in Singapore. But I should say I'm still Chinese. What about you?"
"Yea I'm Chinese as well. Which city are you from?"
"I studied at Wuhan University for my bachelor and finished my master in Singapore."
"Oh my god I'm from Wuhan as well and have some connections with Wuhan University as well!"

Now that we are from the same place, there is nothing much to hide.
We talked about different countries and our feelings towards them, and of course, we ended up having learned a lot from each other.

Before our trip came to an end, I asked him a question, "Among all your peers in Wuhan University, how do you think you are doing?"
"I'm doing okay, slightly worse than the average."

I confirmed again and again but he insisted he was doing just fine.

In my eyes, people in China at his age always complain about not getting a good employment, including those from universities in 985 program just like Wuhan University.
But he is receiving a good salary and having a good career outlook. One more thing here, he insisted more than half of his friends are doing better than him.

Is it really true or social norms that students from top universities are under bulk production and are no longer worthy?

Feel free to join the discussion.
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Lopemann: 金币+15, ESEPI+1, Mark first. I will carefully think about it on my way back. 2013-12-23 20:19:40
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I won't claim I have met people from the entire spectrum so my view is likely biased. My general view is that success or "doing well"  has to be looked at from a number of perspectives. In particular, to shed some light on your question Lope, one important aspect is where this individual lives, and secondly what success mainly refers to.

Perspective number 1. Geographic: I start with Europe which I am most familiar with. Most of the Western/Northern countries are pretty socialistic and the society is characterised by equality more or less, plus they are NON immigration countries. The kind of bloody capitalism does not appeal, hence social status in forms of power, money or position is not high. It is therefore, apart from a couple of successful academics who managed to become professors, most Chinese (with high education) are plain engineers, physicians, office workers, etc. One may say these are good jobs and not bad with social status. Naturally their pay is not bad either, compared to the locals who never went to uni. But very few of them could get to a manager level in a company or have a business of their own. In all their lives are quite comfortable without much to worry but the moment they compare with their peers in the country starting with U or some in South Asia, they cannot help become a bit envious. In these latter countries, elite is the favorites and as long as you can make money, you are the number one. Social security or equality are not as prominent. The rich does get richer and the inferior people do get exploited. So the question is by what you consider yourself successful: a plain life or a life on ramp light?
Perspective  number 2: academic?
It is not surprising many Chinese abroad (mostly in developed countries) with higher education are more or less employed in academic institutions and their success is often measured by their positions (asst prof, assoc prof, prof, ...). Often these come with high pay and prestige, not at least the opportunities in China. On the other hand, other people with similar education but work in industry or administration, may or may not earn more than the academics but often do not receive the same respect at all. For example,  a PhD with >20 years industrial experience in multinational corporations who had only a title "senior engineer" went to a conference in China. When introduced to the professors with that title, he felt immediately the special look others had on him - an engineer who was respected and well paid was nothing compared with the academic elite. To these people, anyone who cannot be titled professors, directors, CEOs just can not be successful.
Now coming to the question Lope asked. I do not think there are evidences that top uni grads do better in general, considering the above discussions. I have seen Chinese grads from all sorts of unknown unis doing well in the academic institutions (Note: abroad only) and in industry and administrations. Whether it is worthwhile or not to be bulk produced in top unis will ultimately depend on the success criteria I guess.
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I am just wondering you communicate with each other in Enlglsih or in Chinese?
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2楼: Originally posted by 菜鸟2012 at 2013-12-23 18:43:41
I am just wondering you communicate with each other in Enlglsih or in Chinese?

First English, then Chinese, then our home language
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3楼: Originally posted by Lopemann at 2013-12-23 18:56:11
First English, then Chinese, then our home language...

i can imagine that scene.
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6楼: Originally posted by winter_north at 2013-12-23 20:41:02
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3楼: Originally posted by Lopemann at 2013-12-23 18:56:11
First English, then Chinese, then our home language...

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8楼: Originally posted by 菲儿灰灰 at 2013-12-23 20:52:04
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5楼: Originally posted by befair at 2013-12-23 20:12:33
I won't claim I have met people from the entire spectrum so my view is likely biased. My general view is that success or "doing well"  has to be looked at from a number of perspectives. In  ...

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