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[交流] 刚上网的一篇acs的期刊论文,造假造的太水已有12人参与

刚上网的一篇acs的期刊论文,造假造的太水,估计国外这个兄弟以后学术界没法生存了,科研还是需要求真和踏实工作呀~

最近刚上网的一篇美国化学会上面的一篇paper,如果你看他的支持信息,学生把自己和老师都坑了,但是最重要的是科学态度很恶劣,大家引以为戒吧~~~:)  有感触的就把文章顶起吧~

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/om4000067
It is in the supporting information...page12~

下面的内容直接在他们的上网文章中出现~~~
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Emma, please insert NMR data here! where are they? and for this compound, just make  up an elemental analysis...[ Last edited by cxksama on 2013-8-13 at 14:20 ]
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我从楼主的论据只能得到作者不细心的结论,并不能得到造假的结论,楼下的怎么看?
PS:我不是给原作找借口,如果仅仅因为这一处小的错误就说人家文章水或者造假,是不是帽子扣的太大了,懂化学的小伙伴来甄别下。
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make up不同的人有不同的理解吧,可能作者是“补充、增加”的的意思。造不造假还是得专业人员从文章内容本身鉴别!个人理解!
期待美好未来
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1. David  on August 8, 2013 10:14 AM writes...

I'm British and see no reason to use 'make up' to mean prepare in this case. It is true that 'make up' is sometimes used to mean 'prepare', but only in the sense of "I made up an NMR sample, by putting a solution in a tube". No-one 'makes up' data in the sense of 'preparing' an SI in British English, the only connotation in British English of 'making up' data is to invent it!

The kicker is the wording used by the author in the SI. If they had meant prepare, why not say "insert the NMR and EA data"? Why have two sentences to say the same thing? 'Make up' means 'invent' in this case.

This is indefensible, especially from a language argument.
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2. Anonymous  on August 8, 2013 10:48 AM writes...

Yup, another "British-English" here and I 100% agree with David's comments
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3. Winnie bluesky  on August 8, 2013 10:58 AM writes...

Even as a non-native but living in the UK, there is nothing one makes up in the lab except a solution in a volumetric flask (and that is making it up TO a certain volume) by diluting the stock...

5. Giles  on August 8, 2013 1:27 PM writes...

Another Brit agreeing that making something up almost invariably means faking it.

On the other hand, one of the funniest sketches in a UK comedy program called Brass Eye in the 90s involved persuading various unwitting celebrities to speak out against a non-existent drug called "Cake", which they were told was a "made-up" drug -- that is, it was synthetic. Questions were asked in Parliament... presumably "made-up" in the sense of synthetic was believable enough to the celebs that they were willing to use it in that sense and didn't immediately realise they were being trolled.

Rather NSFW (swearing) YouTube of the sketch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0GxUxKZdHk
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6. Godfrey Bloom  on August 8, 2013 1:33 PM writes...

Perhaps he was asking Emma to put on some make up before getting the analysis done.
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2楼: Originally posted by blue.wh at 2013-08-12 08:28:37
我从楼主的论据只能得到作者不细心的结论,并不能得到造假的结论,楼下的怎么看?
PS:我不是给原作找借口,如果仅仅因为这一处小的错误就说人家文章水或者造假,是不是帽子扣的太大了,懂化学的小伙伴来甄别下。

”just make  up“不知道你如何理解,但是我认为这个绝对不是做学术应有的态度,小错可以数据实验的不正确,而不应给是科学态度,一家之言,可能每个人对科学的理解不一样吧~
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3楼: Originally posted by fly的心 at 2013-08-12 08:29:12
上周已经炒过了

恩,我才看到,就分享一下,如果重复,请直接忽略~
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2楼: Originally posted by blue.wh at 2013-08-13 04:28:37
我从楼主的论据只能得到作者不细心的结论,并不能得到造假的结论,楼下的怎么看?
PS:我不是给原作找借口,如果仅仅因为这一处小的错误就说人家文章水或者造假,是不是帽子扣的太大了,懂化学的小伙伴来甄别下。

“make up” 不就是“编造”的意思么,这还不明显?这不仅仅是造假,还是教唆学生造假,这个应该更严重。
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make up 字典里面不是还有弥补的意思吗?
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