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[交流] 【Weekly Topic】Have you ever regretted being in a science degree?

I know most people here are or were in a science degree. From the posts in this forum, I can see that studying science or being in a research position (master of philosophy, doctor of philosophy) is increasingly looking unattractive to a growing number of people in or out of the circle. It saddens people when the reality is research positions can be referred as to be over-competitive.

People around me end up being in different industries, and irony is that most are not staying in research. People do high-school teaching, engineering, medicine, sales, and the law. Some even begin to pursue a career in business. Maybe scientific research comes to the top of the list when it comes to attrition rate.

Nowadays it’s hard to people to get a tenure in universities. Normally the prerequisite is to be a Ph.D. Things get changed rapidly. I heard (maybe over-heard, anyway) that it’s no longer enough to get university lectureship if one’s only got a certificate without post doctor working experience. Therefore, people are going abroad in order to get something to decorate their CV.

We can do a simple calculation, one gets into uni at 18, finishes undergraduate at 22, finishes master at 25, and finishes Ph.D at 28. By the time this person comes back there, he would have been at his/her 30’s. It can be seen as a long term investment, while the outcome is becoming more and more out of reach of “decent”.

Yea it’s horrible when we find at our 30’s, we are not having a permanent position but being a contractor. Our family is in need of an umbrella while we always fail to provide it.

I don’t know but maybe you guys can share something with us.

[ Last edited by Lopemann on 2014-2-2 at 17:52 ]

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Lopemann: 金币+15, ESEPI+1, Everyone should read your post. 2014-01-24 14:25:31
Lopemann: 回帖置顶 2014-01-24 14:25:34

(Uh... Thanks for re-positioning my post the other day.  Maybe with luck this one would be, too)

RE:
"it’s no longer enough to get university lectureship if one’s only got a certificate without post doctor working experience."

RESPONSE:
My dad heard the same (while living outside the PRC) and responded by giving top seniors of his department lecturers for a year so they could all write that on their CV's
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RE:
"it’s hard to people to get a tenure in universities. "

RESPONSE:
Did you know that many top Pharma companies (Pfizer, Merk,...) have "tenured" research positions?  It might not be called "tenure" but the research staff in these companies are structured almost identical to universities
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RE:
"Maybe scientific research comes to the top of the list when it comes to attrition rate."

SHORT:
  Think twice before following the steps of another PostDoc-to-be
COMPLETE:
  - See attached JPEG
  - See  http://scforum.sciencecareers.org/viewtopic.php?t=9863
  - Or just read the transcript:
   http://www.axs.tv/ui/inc/show_tr ... orts&en=808
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FINAL THOUGHT:
Be on the lookout for a in-forum message from me to you
Or better yet since you are already a Forum Moderator, Lopemann, maybe you can write to me about starting either a Topic (or an entire new EMuch Section !!) titled "Alternative Career Choices"
I'm not experienced (or tenured