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投票标题: What do you think about the Gaokao reform in Beijing? (单选)

  • It's a stupid policy.
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  • It helps students get priorities right- Chinese Education is supposed to be more
    28 (41.8%)
  • Everything will still be the same as before.
    19 (28.4%)
  • I don't care.
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[交流] What do you think about the Gaokao reform in Beijing?

As you may all be aware of, our policy-makers are bringing about some major changes to our National Higher Education Entrance Examination which is known as Gaokao.

In Beijing, the English section will be reduced from 150 points to 100 points, and there will be an added 30 points for Chinese.

This policy is already confirmed in Beijing, and for other provinces, there is estimated to be some follow-ups.

This is the basic context.

I hope everyone can say something about their voting.

I occupied 1st and 2nd floor. Maybe I will also share my idea with your guys later.

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00waterh: 回帖置顶 2013-11-02 19:20:27
00waterh: 金币+30, ESEPI+1, i have nothing to say about this change right now.if it success, i will say the policy-makers are right.if it fail,it will be an another bad decision. 2013-11-02 19:26:25
Alright. Maybe it's time for me to make a comment for this policy change.

I was really looking forward to seeing the change when I first read the news Call for reform of English language assessments in March this year.
Here is the link http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/epa ... ontent_16336237.htm

This piece of news pretty much left me the impression that policy-makers in China were already aware of the importance of oral English in the development of students' comprehensive language capabilities.

I thought there could be some marks taken out specifically for oral English part in the College English Test. I even misread the news "China to downgrade English section of college admissions test" when I first saw the title because I thought the reduced marks would all be attributed to oral English assessment. However, when I looked at the details of the policy change, I would say I was startled, then upset, cause there was nothing to do with oral English at all, and the whole weight of English reduced!

There is an added 30 points for Chinese which quite a few people think students will benefit from. I personally do not agree with this view. Traditional Chinese culture and Chinese literature, of course, are very important and could be an important source for students to establish their philosophy of life. But is an added 30 points strong enough to make a difference? Some people might say yes, but I would say no.

Both the public and education system operators see marks somewhat synonymous with emphasis and outcome. But people like me could only see a changed pattern of assessment, and for us the nature of assessment does not change at all. I expect that there would not be any discernible return of that marks.

On the other hand, when you give much needed marks to oral English assessment, you can almost see an immediate return on your "investment". Students begin to speak English and use English. Results improve and hope is created where once there were only complaints and criticism towards Chinese lingually-disabled students. The future benefits for the long term English assessment reform of the whole education system are incalculable. The demand for native speakers increases and thus more foreigners come to China for living, given the job loss rate is fairly high in foreign countries. China therefore functions as a balancing role and it not only benefits China.

Having seen the new policy which I don't think is clever, or even fiscally responsible, I feel upset. I'd say it's a stupid policy for me.

Hopefully China is at the height of reform under President Xi. I still see positive to the future of English assessment regulations.

P.S. I personally seek common points while reserving difference.
And I don't think it's necessary to swear, curse, or place someone in an unfavorable light just because he is holding different opinions.
Thanks.

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00waterh: 金币+8, tuqin2575' opinion is great, GAOKAO is a breakthrough point.~ 2013-10-30 20:32:23
Lopemann: 回帖置顶 2014-02-13 16:25:46
The stress on Chinese culture can be seen from a glimpse on the Chinese Characters Spelling Convention held this summer. Our students and parents have already been aware of the necessity in English learning. Even graduated from colleges, we may spend much time and money on it for further education or promtion. Hence, people's willings to learn English will not be pressed by any reform. Comparatively, Chinese is neglected by many of us after we are enrolled in the universities, especially for those majored in natural science. They need not to read or write except reciting some equations. Their knowledges on the history and conventional culture are sometimes limited in what they learn in the preparation for GAOKAO. In contrast, many Confucius Institutes spring up overseas. Further, in another perspective, many kids and young people have been assimilated by western culture. Therefore, our citizens' ground on Chinses have to be strengthened. And GAOKAO is a breakthrough point.
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00waterh: 回帖置顶 2013-10-31 08:14:04
00waterh: 金币+3, as far as the situation is concerned, English is playing a more and more important role in our society. 2013-10-31 08:17:23
yeah, it sounds wonderful. but i don't believe the policy will be spresded in the whole country. because the engliish is playing a more and more important role in our society. as we all know, nowdays , if you want to find a good job, a certificate ,such as CET4 or CET6,which can prove your english level, is essential. or, there wii not be any opportunity to be employed. only when the socity changes the idea, can the english craze disappear.
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00waterh: 金币+2, great views. our leaders stress on our national culture ~ 2013-10-31 10:25:13
00waterh: 回帖置顶 2013-10-31 10:25:21
I donnot know whether it will be successful, but at least one thing we can make sure that our leaders stress on our national culture which makes teenagers pay more attention to Chinese learning. That is good for the younger generations learn better our own culture.
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00waterh: 回帖置顶 2013-11-02 19:27:07
00waterh: 金币+8, it's quite necessary for us to change our attitude of learning Chinese, and the reform is a good point when using computer is very popular! 2013-11-03 18:57:33
As to me, English always plays an important role in my study and life. In my research field, only articles in English published can be a good news for me and my institute. And I need to read articles  in English in order to study. Besides, I can learn the writing skills from the author. However, it's very important for us to learn Chinese and Chinese culture better! For English ,we can write the word if we could say it. We can speak Chinese,but sometimes we probably couldn't write the word. So, learning English and Chinese is very different! Besides, I think we born and live in China; how can we be bad at Chinese but good at English. Therefore, it's quite necessary for us to change our attitude of learning Chinese, and the reform is a good point when using computer is very popular!

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curton: 金币+4, Good on your having the same opinion as I do 2013-11-30 18:08:32
Lopemann: 回帖置顶 2014-02-13 16:26:52
In order to keep the pace of modernization and development in China, especially in some first-line cites, such as Shanghai、Guangzhou, you have to enhance your English level, both oral and listening capability so on so that you will not be denied in your interviews in the first round.
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curton: 金币+15, ESEPI+1, English for non-English background speakers is basically a tool, and yes, ideas matter more than the tool itself 2013-11-30 18:28:49
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47楼: Originally posted by yinglibme at 2013-11-10 23:00:57
in my opinion, english is just a tool of communication. the more important thing is the idea,not the tool. i myself have some interests in english, just because i have to for sake of the requirement  ...

Wow

Yes, English for non-English background speakers is basically a tool, and yes, ideas matter more than the tool itself. The problem is we don't seem to get good command of the so-called tool, do we?

Three-year-old Children are having English class, which is the result of competitions, not English. For some primary schools, especially the good ones, they need some criteria to filter candidates, and English is just one of the criteria, not all. I believe for some primary schools, Chinese or mathematics is also one of these criteria. As for me, a 3-year-old child's studying Chinese or mathematics in kindergarten is no less ridiculous than he or she's studying English in kindergarten.

One's first twelve years should be free of worries and assessments, as far as I am concerned.

I believe most graduate students could not describe an event or even a book detailedly in English. When it comes to speaking, an overwhelmingly majority of people are not equipped with the fundamental English ability to finish daily conversation. Compared with failing to write a flawless Chinese article, which situation is more urgent?   

Chinese is our mother language and it deserves our attention. I agree to you with regard to statements related to this. For College English Test, I believe those who fail to receive a good mark in Chinese won't say they spend all the time studying Chinese on English, right?

If one doesn't even have an ability to pass CET6, how could this person handle English journal articles when he begins to do research which range from education, psychology to natural science. Many people in university don't study English, but is it true that their Chinese is strikingly better than others?

As for the root of culture, I know many people from Hong Kong and Taiwan. Their English is way better than mainland Chinese counterparts, and their Chinese knowledge is remarkable. Then is it really English that ruins our culture?

Last, not the least, no one is supposed to feel guilty for his or her opinion. It's one's free freedom to have his or her say, and it also works for you. You are free to have your say here and I respect your opinion. Respecting other's opinions is a symbol of modern civilization, and Traditional Chinese culture won't teach people to ruin it, will it?

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00waterh: 金币+1, you will pass the exam if you come here more~ 2013-10-31 08:18:33
i don't care, i'm not in Beijing。all the matters to me now is focus all my attention on CET6,only two months was left,i have to concerted effort。and forget all the troubles in front of me。

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22楼: Originally posted by 杨青伟 at 2013-10-31 19:40:05
eh~just  my little brother is still a high school student,his English is as poor as me!!!!...

ummm the gap could be partially bridged.

But as far as I know, people who are not good at English are also not good at Chinese, on most occasions

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25楼: Originally posted by 略懂2009 at 2013-11-02 17:41:08
As to me, English always plays an important role in my study and life. In my research field, only articles in English published can be a good news for me and my institute. And I need to read articles ...

Actually if we apply the same standard to English and Chinese, our English will never be better than Chinese cause we THINK in Chinese and are living with Chinese culture for a fairly long time. No matter how good a non-English background person's English is, the local are still a cut above the person, because for the person, English is just a tool while for the local, English is everything.

I agree that Chinese culture impacts people more than great, and people should try to get a better sense of it!

Last, I wish you can publish as many English journal articles as possible! Good luck!
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44楼: Originally posted by hualicc at 2013-11-10 20:35:17
In order to keep the pace of modernization and development in China, especially in some first-line cites, such as Shanghai、Guangzhou, you have to enhance your English level, both oral and listening  ...

Good on your having the same opinion as I do

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5楼: Originally posted by tuqin2575 at 2013-10-30 21:43:09
The stress on Chinese culture can be seen from a glimpse on the Chinese Characters Spelling Convention held this summer. Our students and parents have already been aware of the necessity in English l ...

Well-rounded explanation. Click "like" for you.
Good on you to have a poetic writing style provided that you are doing agriculture.
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7楼: Originally posted by 凉生 at 2013-10-30 22:07:38
i don't care, i'm not in Beijing。all the matters to me now is focus all my attention on CET6,only two months was left,i have to concerted effort。and forget all the troubles in front of me。
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Wish you good luck.

Just relax. Not a big deal
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00waterh: 金币+1, good idea~ 2013-10-31 08:19:00
I think we should focus our English on elementary schools for 6 years, then,  until entering universities, we learn a comprehensive English again. How about it, Fred?
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9楼: Originally posted by 菜鸟2012 at 2013-10-30 23:00:06
I think we should focus our English on elementary schools for 6 years, then,  until entering universities, we learn a comprehensive English again. How about it, Fred?

Sounds quite innovative. I guess it is a good resolution as well
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