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hee_csu

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[求助] 审稿人对我只用B3LYP有意见

审稿人意见：B3LYP is a functional known to have very large exact exchange component (20%) favoring too loose electron densities and low transition energies. State-of-the-art is to at least use also a functional of the GGA class with zero exact exchange, which will give an impression of the error/spread obtainable from DFT, currently not described.
我的回答：B3LYP, as a hybrid functional parameterized to fit data primarily for main group molecules, has achieved outstanding accuracy and has been widely used in theoretical chemistry calculation. However, B3LYP is known to have very large exact exchange component (20%) favoring too loose electron densities and low transition energies. So, using the pure functional BP86 is necessary, which is a GGA class with zero exact exchange (0%). It can provide another side of the coin. So, we have also performed the geometry optimization, vibrational analysis and excited states calculation using pure functional BP86. The results have been added into the new version of manuscript.

本人纯属量化菜鸟，有个问题，请高手指点：
1、B3LYP中的20%交换相关项是什么?
2、为什么要用纯的泛函BP86来验证?
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zhou2009(金币+3): 2011-10-24 15:47:09
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6楼: Originally posted by lyy880530 at 2011-10-23 11:29:36:
我的审稿意见也是这个意思， it is well known that the B3LYP tends to favor high spin states over low spin states. This is due to the HF exchange energy mixture that has this intrinsic feature and it ...

你早说这个，我就明白了。审稿人的意思，需要你做一个能差与精确交换含量的关系。
你可以测试一下BLYP, B3LYP, BHANDHLYP，看看HF%的影响。期间，你还可调调HF的成分。
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小红豆(金币+3): 感谢分享 2011-10-23 11:09:58
hee_csu(金币+10): 非常感谢，还望继续指教。 2011-10-23 14:43:20
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1楼: Originally posted by hee_csu at 2011-10-23 10:13:26:
审稿人意见：B3LYP is a functional known to have very large exact exchange component (20%) favoring too loose electron densities and low transition energies. State-of-the-art is to at least use also ...

审稿人是说，你用的是混合泛函，但是现在公认B3LYP计算反应能会偏低。
而且他们说，B3LYP计算得到的电子云过于离域化了，
所以让你用纯泛函验证一下，电子结构是不是你report的那么回事，
你计算得到的反应能是不是由于B3LYP误差相消，
导致你计算的值碰巧跟实验值对上了。
你必须证明你的计算原理正确、不是误差相消碰巧弄出来的。
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小红豆(金币+2): 感谢分享 2011-10-23 11:10:13
hee_csu(金币+5): 放了电子轨道图，请继续指点，非常感谢。 2011-10-23 14:46:47
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1楼: Originally posted by hee_csu at 2011-10-23 10:13:26:
审稿人意见：B3LYP is a functional known to have very large exact exchange component (20%) favoring too loose electron densities and low transition energies. State-of-the-art is to at least use also ...

还有，你如何证明你计算得到的电子结构是正确的（你放了电子轨道图在文章里吗？）。
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我的审稿意见也是这个意思， it is well known that the B3LYP tends to favor high spin states over low spin states. This is due to the HF exchange energy mixture that has this intrinsic feature and it should always be properly calibrated. One way to do this would be to compare the hybrid vs pure GGA functionals and check the energy difference between the quintet and the septet states. Or by smoothly change the quantity of HF exchange and look at the energy gap. Did the authors check this ? This can be quite important because along the reaction energy path you may get “earlier” or “later” spin-crossing.
看到你的帖子了，正好想请教你一下
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