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wuhuzxc

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Firstly, in every CIF the embedded RES file (_shelx_res_file) does not match the _shelx_res_checksum  entry - which means that the RES is not the one generated by SHELXL but was edited later. This practice is not acceptable and checksum was introduced specifically to prevent it. For three structures, 1, 2 and 3, the same problem appears with the embedded HKL file, which (I suspect) was replaced by an altogether different one (see below). Please leave the embedded RES and HKL (as well as FAB, where applicable) as they are generated automatically - they are there for good reason.
For structures 1, 2 and 3,In each case, the solvent-masking procedure (PLATON SQUEEZE) was applied to the contents of large solvent-accessible voids. In such cases, its is mandatory to submit the original (before SQUEEZE and before merging Laue equivalents) HKL file for checking purposes. The old (1999) version of SQUEEZE generated a peculiar file containing both the merged (!) original structure factors and the corrections in a single line (HKP format). Note that important information is lost in the process of merging equivalent (important, e.g. if symmetry is in doubt). Today, SQUEEZE generates the FAB file (with corrections) and the original HKL under an amended name (_sq). Some intermediate versions were generating both options simultaneously, labelled with _sq_s and _sq_d extensions in the filename. Here we have some strange confusion: all three CIF files contain a FAB file (new version!) but also an old-style HKL (HKP) file. What is worse, when I extracted from the latter the initial HKL - I found that this one had been already processed by SQUEEZE (so, it was applied twice!). Thus, in fact the starting HKL is not available and I cannot make the final assessment. A propos, in all three cases the embedded SQUEEZE output gives a clear alarm signal: negative number of masked electrons, e.g. for 2,
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  _platon_squeeze_void_nr
  _platon_squeeze_void_average_x
  _platon_squeeze_void_average_y
  _platon_squeeze_void_average_z
  _platon_squeeze_void_volume
  _platon_squeeze_void_count_electrons
  _platon_squeeze_void_content
   1  0.129 -0.110  0.137       289       -12 ' '
   2  0.870  0.110  0.863       289       -12 ' '
   3  0.871  0.390  0.363       289       -12 ' '
   4  1.130  0.610  0.637       289       -12 ' '
I am surprised that the authors did not take notice of this. It is also clear that the present CIFs could not be generated by SHELXL - the authors for some reason removed the HKL-format files and replaced (manually) with HKP-format. Why?
To repeat: I need the original and unmerged HKL.
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wuhuzxc: 金币+50 2018-01-22 09:50:16
没什么奇怪的,基本的意思是你的hkl和res不相符,用新版的shelx精修就好了,另外就是hkp文件

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2楼: Originally posted by 我想更懂你29 at 2018-01-21 23:20:47
没什么奇怪的,基本的意思是你的hkl和res不相符,用新版的shelx精修就好了,另外就是hkp文件

原来的hkl和res文件,经squeeze后产生新的_sq.hkl和_sq.res,我是用的squeeze后的_sq.hkl和_sq.res文件修了一下,这个应该是相符的啊。请问我这哪里出错了吗???
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4楼: Originally posted by wuhuzxc at 2018-01-22 10:09:55
原来的hkl和res文件,经squeeze后产生新的_sq.hkl和_sq.res,我是用的squeeze后的_sq.hkl和_sq.res文件修了一下,这个应该是相符的啊。请问我这哪里出错了吗???...

确实是这个意思,你再好好看看,或者找个明白人处理一下你的数据
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用新版的修一下就好了,squeeze的信息会自动写进cif

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6楼: Originally posted by leaves922 at 2018-01-22 11:11:22
用新版的修一下就好了,squeeze的信息会自动写进cif

我用的是SHELXL-2016版本的,难道还不够新吗?
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7楼: Originally posted by wuhuzxc at 2018-01-22 18:47:31
我用的是SHELXL-2016版本的,难道还不够新吗?...

如果你确认没问题,就回信:我们检查了,没问题,或者找个明白人看看到底怎么回事?编辑说了那么多,总结一下就最后一句话
To repeat: I need the original and unmerged HKL.
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8楼: Originally posted by 我想更懂你29 at 2018-01-22 19:05:56
如果你确认没问题,就回信:我们检查了,没问题,或者找个明白人看看到底怎么回事?编辑说了那么多,总结一下就最后一句话
To repeat: I need the original and unmerged HKL....

那这个HKL是不是指数据刚还原后的HKL?
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