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chuchu6816

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[交流] 【讨论】TS 时 出现Wrong number of negative eigenvalues: Desired= 0 Actual=

在优化过渡态时 有时出现:Optimization stopped.
>>      -- Wrong number of negative eigenvalues: Desired=  0 Actual
但是加入 noeigen 就会避免这种错误 但是原因是什么啊?在网上搜了一点资料如下。但是看完以后还不怎么了解。希望大家再此讨论一下。
Dear all,
Here is a summary of the responses I received regarding my query posted
a week ago.  Thank you to Patrik Johansson, Stefan Fau, Stephan Graf and
Wibke Sudholt for your interest.  I was in fact unable to reproduce the
error so maybe it was a one off error, albeit a somewhat peculiar one.
The problem seems to occur at a change in symmetry of the TS/product.
=========> Original Query <==========
I have been doing some ab initio calculations recently on the ring
opening of cyclobutene using GAUSSIAN94.  I have completed an
optimisation of the transition state corresponding to the ring opening
and formation of the TRANS product (trans-butadiene).  To check that the
transition state corresponds to the trans conformation an IRC
calculation was performed to follow the path in the direction TOWARDS
(reverse direction) the trans product. The command line was:
>>  # RHF/6-31G(d) IRC(CalcFC,Reverse,Stepsize=40,maxpoints=24)
The calculation stopped on the 12th point along the path after 5
optimisation steps having failed to converge with this unusual message:
>>   Optimization stopped.
>>      -- Wrong number of negative eigenvalues: Desired=  0 Actual=***
This is very peculiar - I have never seen this before.  It is highly
unlikely that the calculation has 'stumbled upon' another saddle point.
Has anyone come across this before?  Any reasons/suggestions/ideas would
be welcomed.
RESPONSES
==========> 1 <==========
Hi Dave
Your problem sound like one I encountered about a year ago, maybe you've
stumbled into a bifurcation point..
If this is the case it would mean that your IRC calc cannot proceed
since two
alternative ways - truely equal from the calc point of view - are
possible,
this would for example be possible if the point where your calc crashes
has a
C2 or Cs symmetry ( or close to ). The way to check and to let the calc.
continue is :
1. to perform a freq calc at the IRC point immediately before your calc
crashes
( perhaps with a smaller stepsize.)
2. Check the resulting imaginary freqs and see which mode that
corresponds to
the path you would like to continue along.
3. Move your geometry away from the bifurc point by using the mode
above.
4. Perform a new IRC calc from this new geometry.
best wishes
Patrik
==========> 2 <==========
Hi Dave,
something went seriously wrong with your IRC. The three stars indicate
>999 negative eigenvalues! This is a problem of the actual run and might
just vanish on repeating the calculation.
By the way, it is advisable to start with the read in structure and
hessian matrix of the confirmed TS using IRC(...,readfc,...) and
geom=check since this avoids problems due to low numerical accuracy of
the input TS structure.
If you continue having problems, try to reduce the stepsize and increase
the accuracy (using the tight option).
Greetings, Stefan
==========> 3 <==========
Hi Dave,
I had a similar problem during the optimization of saddle points
structures. Sometimes G94 stopped with the same message. It seems
that there is a bug in the G94 routine which counts the number
of negative eigenvalues. Because after testing the structure
with a frequency job, I got the correct number of negative
eigenvalues.
With the OPT keyword is the NoEigenTest option
available, which omits the counting of the negative eigenvalues.
Unfortunately this option is not listed for the IRC keyword (at least on
www.gaussian.com).
But ther is maybe an IOp which does the same.
Hope this helps,
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小木虫(金币+0.5):给个红包,谢谢回帖交流
erylingjet(金币+1,VIP+0):感谢交流 11-25 09:00
TS是有虚频 只有当K值小于0时才有负值 ,NOEIGEN就是不考虑负值
拒稿,终于体会到了!乱写接受,认真写拒稿,这就是2和4的区别吗?
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yjcmwgk(金币+1,VIP+0): 11-25 09:10
noeigen
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yjcmwgk(金币+0,VIP+0):你算freq关键字了吗? 11-25 09:11
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Originally posted by 3867826 at 2009-11-24 20:53:
TS是有虚频 只有当K值小于0时才有负值 ,NOEIGEN就是不考虑负值

如果是这样的话,算的TS还有虚频吗?还有我算的TS怎么在Gview 中怎么不显示频率啊?

谢谢
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Originally posted by chuchu6816 at 2009-11-25 09:03:

如果是这样的话,算的TS还有虚频吗?还有我算的TS怎么在Gview 中怎么不显示频率啊?

谢谢

进行频率计算了啊!并且在molekel打开也不显示频率振动。
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